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I live in South Brisbane and Telstra has recently installed fibre optic.

I currently do not have a land line, and I am using Mobile Broadband with Optus. I would like to find a good deal for a home phone / internet bundle, however I called TPG (my mobile provider) and they told me they still cannot provide me one for now - they will in the future but are not sure when. I do not want to switch to Telstra as I find them very expensive. I would appreciate your help as it is all very confusing to me. Thanks, Alessia

21/07/2012

Hi Alessia,

My heart goes out to you. You're actually in one of the most closely watched areas of Australia when it comes to telecommunications. South Brisbane is something of a 'ground zero' in the ongoing debate over the viability of a National Broadband Network (NBN) or a market based, Telstra-led solution to providing better broadband options to users.

To provide as brief a back story as possible- The NBN is an all-fibre network being built by the government, to replace Telstra's own copper network, which currently provides the last bit of the network to each home and office in Australia. It's not the first plan to uniformly upgrade all of Australia's infrastructure. Telstra has previously had the opportunity to do its own similar rollout of fibre to each premises, but talks fell through.

For the last few years, Telstra has been putting in fibre for much of the network in brand new estate areas, known as 'Greenfield' installations. They were doing this because they knew at some point soon any copper would be ripped up one way or the other; why invest in laying out cables that will be soon torn out?

There are two areas where Telstra will be effectively testing out a full, fibre-to-the-premises rollouts, to both test the viability of such a rollout, and to also demonstrate their ability to do so as compared to NBNco (the company building the NBN). These 'Brownfield' areas are already built and established. The sites chosen for this test are Point Cook in Melbourne, an outer area that was a good candidate because of rapid growth; and South Brisbane, a much busier area which was chosen because a new Hospital was being built that would displace Telstra's exchange building. Rather than re-wire a bunch of copper to a new exchange building, Telstra have opted to replace the copper with full fibre optics.

AND...that's where you come in. One of the main points in replacing Telstra's copper network is to remove Telstra's 'Vertical Integration' - Telstra has both a wholesale and retail interest, so it's hard to get them to 'play nice' when it comes to giving access to the competition.

I'm trying to remain impartial here, but South Brisbane is a very good example of why it's necessary to take this control away from Telstra. Telstra is only obliged to provide access to their copper network, so it was difficult to get them to agree to let competitors like TPG to get access to the fibre in the first place. But even now, Telstra is taking its time in getting that access to the providers. They're attempting, in no uncertain terms, to get customers on to long-term contracts as quickly as possible, which will leave fewer and fewer customers left in South Brisbane to go with the competition. And for competitors like TPG, that means that every day it's more difficult to justify pushing Telstra to complete its part fo the deal, because there won't be much left to fight over when it's all said and done.

So right now, for a good fixed-line connection, you may as well bite the bullet and go with Telstra. You could also try iPrimus on 1300 137 794 to see if they're having any better luck in getting access to Telstra's fibre.

For the record - the NBN won't be coming to South Brisbane any time soon (at least 3 yrs or more away) so this is how it will be for that area, for a while. On the plus side, even Telstra's fibre plans for South Brisbane will be faster and more universally reliable than what came before.

Thanks,

Adam at CompareBroadband

1300 106 571

 
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cont.

This is called Naked DSL. Over time, this has gotten more expensive, and now Naked DSL costs the same as a bundled phone and internet line.

Anyway - in South Brisbane, Telstra is replacing these copper lines with optical fibre cables. This is because a new hospital is being built that has eminent domain over the Telstra exchange building. Rather then re-routing all that heavy copper cable to a new building, Telstra is uprooting the copper and replacing it with fibre, mainly because this is something they'd have to do eventually anyway, so better to do it now while everything is under construction.

At first, they wanted to restrict access to this network, arguing that their responsibility was to offer access to *copper* cables. The competition argued that Telstra's responsibility was to offer *Layer 1* access, regardless of what material was being used.

Eventually, the competition won, but Telstra are still requiring a phone voice service as part of the wholesale package. Over time, the competition might be able to argue a 'Naked' configuration, but for now, you will need to take a bundled phone service with your fibre broadband.

Comment by Adam at Compare Broadband at 8/10/2012 12:24:52 PM

Hi Kane, ADSL2+ is not a wireless service. it specifically refers to a broadband connection over a copper phone cable. What you may have is a wireless connection to your modem, but if you have ADSL you will notice the modem itself is still connected to a telephone connection point. If the modem is not connected to a cable or telephone point, then you have Mobile Broadband, and not ADSL. All ADSL connections require 2 layers of connection. Layer 1 is between your home and the exchange, and this is provided by Telstra Wholesale. You don't necessarily pay Telstra - but you would pay your service provider, who would pay Telstra for the use of that line. The Layer 2 connection starts at the exchange, and that's where your ISP takes your copper wire and plugs it into their own network, where they can offer you cheap prices. For a long time, Telstra imposed a phone voice service on all customers, regardless of their need for one. iiNet and Internode were amongst the first to convince Telstra to remove the phone service from the line, which resulted in a cheaper wholesale price and more bandwidth for data.

Comment by Adam at Compare Broadband at 8/10/2012 12:05:17 PM
Hi, I live in West End Brisbane and am on wireless ADSL+2 with internode. We have just been told i need to change plans to a plan with a phone line as the service i am on will no longer exist. Mt question is, are there still going to be plans that dont require land lines, as i live in an apartment and have no landline?
Comment by kane at 8/9/2012 6:42:29 PM
I have recently been connected to the South Brisbane fibre service through iiNet as the service provider, and my wife and I are particularly happy with the new comms services. iiNet have their own South Brisbane customer service team, and have provided good and attentive customer service. The phone and broadband package is very competitive on cost, certainly compared with Telstra, and also with our previous ADSL provider TPG. There was a glitch during the cut-over, but that seemed to be caused by Telstra not communicating with iiNet. I am happy to recommend iiNet - they seem to be very organised for South Brisbane fibre. Broadband download speed 30Mbits per second (as promised) compared with ADSL2+ at 0.1 - 0.2 Mbits per second, and cheaper!
Comment by Neil Robertson at 7/24/2012 11:07:08 PM

Hi Alessia, I'd be very surprised if you were on the Fusion plan with mobile broadband - maybe cable broadband, which is an entirely different story. If you're on Optus Cable broadband, stick with it. That would absolutely be the best option. Call Optus on 1300 192 947 and get the exact details of a) how you're connected, b) what you pay and c) what that plan comes with. For the record - a Telstra fibre connection would indeed be faster than a copper-based ADSL connection, but Telstra have a way of making you pay vast amounts for these improvements. But the bottom line is this; fibre optic cables are themselves far more capable of carrying data, at high speed, than copper wire cables, for a host of reasons.

Comment by Adam at Compare Broadband at 7/24/2012 11:34:23 AM

Hi Adam, first of all thanks for your detailed reply. I will try and call iPrimus as suggested. What I am unclear about though is whether the connection will be faster or if this is still a long way away. If there is no serious advantage then I will just buy a number with Skype to have the equivalent of a land line and continue with mobile broadband. I am currently using Optus (I think the Yes fusion / 79$ x month / 120 GB) but again I would be most grateful for any other suggestion. THanks again!

Comment by Alessia Anibaldi at 7/23/2012 12:13:25 PM
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